Second Avenue Subway, 1970s Harlem Segment

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4 responses to “Second Avenue Subway, 1970s Harlem Segment”

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   January 8, 2017

   Union Tpke

   Hi, thanks for the pictures. Apparently, the MTA as part of Phase 2 will be destroying the whole section and wasting money. http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/Community%20Board%2011%20Presentation%204.5.16%20Final.pdf

   I think that you would agree that they should just use the existing segment and have a center island platform.

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   September 6, 2017

   Chris

   Sadly, there may be good logic in destroying the whole section and rebuilding. The MTA has committed to making all new stations ADA compliant, and wants to install air conditioning (if possible, as I understand things) as part of the design. Segments built in the 1970’s did not have these requirements, and likely can not be used. Interstaton segments may not be deep (or shallow) enough to connect with the line now in use. So, we must ask why the segments can’t be used as is before destroying them.

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   December 8, 2017

   George

   The existing tunnel will only be unused as is and demolished through the 106 Street station area. That was built with a middle siding only as provision between the mains 1 and 2 and not originally intended to be a station site.

   As designed in the 1960’s, the Phase 2 segment to be reused was only to have a middle siding after departing an Uptown station site (I’m guessing that was the present 96th Street), then after that a station a stop at 116th Street, then ultimately head north toward the Bronx. The actual stations projected for south of and north of the short piece that was built through East Harlem were never begun. The terminal at 125 & Lexington represents a major (post-2001) revision to the route as originally projected. In time it would appear to preclude the long-projected extension of this line into the Bronx, as was anticipated since its 1920’s conception.

   When the Second Avenue Subway misfired in the 1970’s, the city and world were a lot different. There wasn’t a lot of planning energy expended on its passage through East Harlem, which was then in sharp decline, and a minimum of concern about construction impacts on urban life as there is now. That, I would proffer, is why that particular segment was actually built early on. By 2020, the streetscape above this zone will be almost completely changed and transformed socially!

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   June 16, 2021

   Awaken

   RE the tunnel being destroyed: word on the street currently is that the tunnel from 110th St to 116th St will be used, and 116th St through 120th St will be heavily renovated and partially reconstructed. The MTA’s budgetary constraints for the last 5 years since Phase I opened combined with the pandemic certainly have pushed Phase II back, but supposedly it’s still in the works, should the money come in.

   This tunnel is actively inspected and maintained–albeit in a limited sense–by transit. It is now lit up by strings of the new NYCT LEDs, and the columns are painted regularly. The pumps and some drains are also maintained. It does often get more flooded than is visible in these photos–the last time I was there, large sections of the roadbed were over an inch deep with muck water.

   Back in 2019, some graf writers from Europe were taken down there and they put up some (IMO) pretty shitty tags on every single wall. The walls had been mostly blank, nearly untouched since Bad Guy Joe took these shots. Transit buffed all of it within a couple months.

   Mad respect to LTV as always for paving the way for the younger generations. I would not know any of this had I not been shown this website years ago.

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